TIBETAN MASTIFFS COLORADO, TIBETAN MASTIFF PUPPY RESERVATIONS IN COLORADO
TIBETAN MASTIFFS COLORADO, TIBETAN MASTIFF PUPPY RESERVATIONS IN COLORADO
CO-OWNERSHIP - IS IT A LIABILITY?
MANY AKC SHOW BREEDERS GO ON ABOUT HAVING CONTRACTS AND HOW UNETHICAL IT IS NOT TO. IN FACT THEY SPEND MUCH TIME AND ENERGY BASHING CERTAIN PEOPLE FOR THIS WHILE BOWING AT THE FEET OF MY FORMER CO-OWNER OF DRAKYI TIMBERLINE MOXIE. HE NEVER WROTE A CONTRACT (EXPLAINED BELOW) AND WHEN I HAD TO ASK HIM WHAT COOWNED MEANT WHEN MY PUPPY MONTHS OLD; HE FINALLY SENT A SHORT EMAIL. LATER HE BREACHED HIS EMAIL SIMPLY BECAUSE I WAS CONVERSING WITH THE NON AKC BREEDER HE DID NOT LIKEI WOULD HIGHLY ADVISE ANYBODY FROM DEALING WITH AN AKC SHOW BREEDER BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES WITH THEiR HYPOCRISY AND NASTINESS.
Based on my experiences with serveral breeders I do not recommend AKC breeders who breed multiple breeds and multiple litters. From my experiences I have found that AKC show breeders who do nothing but breed dogs for a living have lots of money riding on dogs and they seem to breed for looks rather than anything else. I have formed these opinions based on my direct experiences with these types and owning their dogs. I would stay as far away from these types of breeders as possible. Remember a dog bred for the show ring may not be the healthiest or best example of the breed. Often times "not". Read about Uri's Demodex, her breeder, and her pedigree here.
BASED ON MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH WITH MY CO OWNERSHIP OF DRAKYI TIMBERLINE MOXIE and ownership of TURBO SHELBY I WILL NEVER DEAL WITH THEM AGAIN. THIS IS MY OPINION BASED ON MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH THESE TWO BREEDERS. I ALSO OWNED A TURBO SHELBY BOY AND HE HAS BEEN STERILIZED. EMAIL ME FOR DETAILS.
Breeders will co-own dogs in order to have their co-owner whelp puppies so they may excuse themselves of all responsibility in case something goes wrong. In my case, I was to "owe" my co-owner two puppies back. I met another person who he did this to; and because of speculated health issues with the puppies; he instructed her to spay and neuter the whole litter (except his two picks and a friend's). This was a huge expense for the person who had whelped the puppies and only an advantage to my former co-owner. This will continue to happen as long as innocent people become their victims.
Going to shows I was surprised to discover that "show people" will use products to alter the color and thickness of the dog's coat. Tibetan Mastiffs are to be shown in their natural coats but this doesn't seem to be the case. Again, I think that people who make a "living" off selling puppies will go to extremes for "appearances"
"Blaming the victim" is prevalent within the Tibetan Mastiff community. These are my thoughts based on my experiences with "AKC Show breeders". I believe they want to "get rid of the competition". I would definitely stay clear of "AKC show breeders" because of what I have learned from them personally. "Show breeders will be very nice to 'newbies," but they are cut-throat; just like the movie "Best in Show"! It is very disgusting to see how people treat others.
Show breeders will promise you the world to co-own. They are just looking for someone to use shall we say as a "incubator". They may give you the dog but they retain ultimate control over the dog, in some cases, breeding it, then having the co-owner whelp the puppies while reaping profit from the pick of the litter.
Some things to think about. I hope that I can save someone else the time, money and heart ache that I went through. Number one thing to remember is that as the co-owner you ultimately are responsible for anything that can go wrong. These long time show breeders seem to live by - "Profit is sweet, even if it comes from deception."
If you are looking for a great pet with a far superior temperament, look past the AKC show crowd and I believe you will be far better off and much happier! Follow the money > AKC hondlers pay $250.00 a year > They are paid a lot of money to run around the ring < they bring in entries by having clients > people stay in hotels > vendors sell food and good , etc. etc. One hand greasing the other. How long do you think somebody would pay a professional handler if they were not winning in the ring? Think about it.
Co-ownership - My experience The following was our original agreement:
THIS WAS THE RE WRITTEN AGREEMENT AFTER THE DOG WAS WELL OVER ONE YEAR OLD. YOU ARE AT SOMEBODY ELSE'S MERCY AND WHIM. EXTREMELY IMATURE AND CHILDISH IN MY OPINION, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY RE WROTE THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE I BOUGHT A PUPPY FROM SOMEBODY THEY DID NOT LIKE. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR CONTRACT CHANGED? ADDITIONALLY, I WAS NEVER TOLD THERE WAS A THIRD PARTY INVOLVED IN THE CONTRACT BUT AS YOU CAN SEE; SOMEBODY ELSE WAS IN CONTROL.
IN THE END I WAS GLADTHAT I SURRENDED THE DRAYKI BRED GIRL BACK TO THEM BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY BAD CONTRACT TO BEGIN WITH. BECAUSE I WAS NEW TO THE BREED I DID NOT REALIZE THAT I WAS BEING "TAKEN TO THE BANK". I DID LEARN THAT I WILL NEVER EVER WANT ONE OF THEIR DOGS AGAIN, FOR MANY REASONS. I WAS THE TYPE OF PERSON PEOPLE LIKE THAT TEND TO PREY ON. "THE PERFECT VICTIM". HOW AKC BREEDERS|JUDGES CAN HAVE SUCH DOUBLE STANDARDS TO ME SHOWS THEIR TRUE COLORS. THEY WILL MAKE UP STUFF ABOUT NON AKC SHOW BREEDERS, INUENDOS, ETC.; ALL THE WHILE SCHEMING OF WAYS TO GET AND USE THEIR LINES THROUGH THE BACK DOOR. THIS SHOWS THEIR CHARACTER TO ME. I RESPECT PEOPLE WHO GO DIRECTLY TO SOMEBODY INSTEAD OF BEHIND THE BACK AND THEN BACKSTAB TYPE. BUT HEY, THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.
Finally, I find it rather childish that grown ups can act like high schoolers and require somebody not to talk to somebody they do not like. How professional is that? I was performing the contract above and beyond our original agreement which was one sided. Having somebody pay for a dog, medical expenses, and show fees while you act as if you are some sort of ethical, resposible breeder is puzzling to me. I view this as extortion and a way to have others "whelp" litters so that you appear to be something you are not. I am guessing this is a way not to appear as having too many puppies per year at the expense of others. By having others do it for them, they eliminate the label and all responsible.
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A few quotes:
"Forgot to tell you, _ _ _ k took my description of _ s _ s _ i off TM info. He's doing a breeding with _ _ n _ s _. C _ e w _ _ _ _ a this year, guess he didn't want anyone to see he threw a 55 lb pup, cow-howcked and very inferior. K _ _ _ _ os a beautiful girl and I don't want any problems, so my mouth is shut. I'll let it go, he could take k _ _ _ _ _ away from me, like what happended to Mary Holzer. Anyway . . . UNQUOTE.
So should you believe them? I know I do not, especially based on what they say behind the scenes.
And there is so much more behing the show breeders and their deceptions.